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FreeezzZ, расскажи про Infinity Primus 360.

FreeezzZ, расскажи про Infinity Primus 360.

FreeezzZ, расскажи про Infinity Primus 360.

Ато надо запихнуть что-нить простенькое и симпатичное в мелкую комнату, вот мне и интересно, стоит ли терять время и ехать в Техносилу на прослушку.
Да и глужут меня сомнения по поводу верхней середины - среднечастотник вроде слишком тяжёл для неё, а пищаль мала...


Буду благодарен за отзывы всем, кто слышал данную ботву применительно к стерео.

SoundLife
ИМХО канешна, но они того не стоят... Театральные бухтелки, их обчно даже не прослушивают перед покупкой, просто "вроде инфинити - вроде гут", но на самом деле icon_biggrin.gif Я канешна понимаю, цена соблазнительная... Ежели не себе, кому нить вместо центра, то пойдет... А себе icon_rolleyes.gif

Спасибо FreeezzzZ.
Я честно говоря на их внешность повёлся, думал слегка подсвести и...

Придётся поискать чёнить поинтересней.

SoundLife
незашт.... вообще, я как-то(год назад, вроде) выкладывал фотки Примусов 150х... Внутри там еще хуже icon_rolleyes.gif

Пся их знает...
Но блин красивы, гадины.



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на самом деле, в реале они страшные icon_biggrin.gif

Зашёл всё-же в Технасилу, Primus 360 не было, зато что-то загляделся на Ямаху 555. Великоваты правда, зато куда симпатичней чем примус.

угу, симпатишнее и качетсвенее... только зачем обязательно напольники? все же наибюджетнейшая АС получится... Или полочники вообще никак не перевариваешь? icon_rolleyes.gif

Полочники там как-раз и стоят. Альфа 20 cry.gif

FreeezzzZ писал(а):
на самом деле, в реале они страшные icon_biggrin.gif

Неужели, внутри они и вправду такие страшные? icon_eek.gif Посмотреть бы! icon_wink.gif

мдя... Альфа была по-приличнее, хтя тоже далеко не фонтан...

OOZ
если честно, микролабы внутри более продумано выполнены... А у этих все на дизигн фазада ушло...

FreeezzzZ писал(а):
мдя... Альфа была по-приличнее, хтя тоже далеко не фонтан...

Да, к сожалению. Я с ними чего только не делал (изменял добротность басовиков, настраивал фаз, изменял параметры кроссовера) - нормального баса нет.
Зато колпак сменил на пулю - результат весьма прияцтвенный. Всё же люминий с керамикой рулит.
Ну а с пищалями и так всё ясно. Такое лечится только двухстволкой. icon_lol.gif

Вот и хотелось поиметь поболе баса и повыше верхов, оставив при этом тот-же характер звука. Ну а что-нить внутрь запихнуть - вопрос 15 минут. Хотя если всё же вдруг куплю, то наверно придётся камеру для СЧ из ДСП делать. Вспоминаю пенопластовую камеру у Альф 40 - 50 и дурно мне становится... new_Eyecrazy.gif
(Жалко на форуме нет блюющего смайла. Адми-ин, ау-у...)

SoundLife писал(а):

Я с ними чего только не делал (изменял добротность басовиков, настраивал фаз, изменял параметры кроссовера) - нормального баса нет.
Зато колпак сменил на пулю - результат весьма прияцтвенный. Всё же люминий с керамикой рулит.
Ну а с пищалями и так всё ясно. Такое лечится только двухстволкой. icon_lol.gif

А надо было поменять внутреннюю проводку. icon_wink.gif

FreeezzzZ писал(а):
мдя... Альфа была по-приличнее, хтя тоже далеко не фонтан...

OOZ
если честно, микролабы внутри более продумано выполнены... А у этих все на дизигн фазада ушло...

Просто, хотел сравнить Примус с Бетой изнутри. icon_smile.gif

OOZ писал(а):
А надо было поменять внутреннюю проводку. icon_wink.gif

Да про это даже и писать не стоит, итак ежу понятно, только 20м это как трупу секс.

SoundLife писал(а):

...только 20м это как трупу секс.

Это называется - некрофилия. icon_biggrin.gif

Блин, наконец-то хоть один человек правильно назвал процесс апгрейда Альф 20. icon_lol.gif

FreeezzzZ
расскажи ка лучше как твоя жизня icon_cool.gif
icon_lol.gif

Miss, пздравляю! happybirthday.gif

Что-то ты давненько не захаживала.

Почему не захожу? захожу, читаю icon_cool.gif icon_smile.gif
Спасибо большое за поздравление,SoundLife icon_smile.gif

SoundLife
Цитата:
Ну а с пищалями и так всё ясно. Такое лечится только двухстволкой.
Цитата:
(Жалко на форуме нет блюющего смайла. Адми-ин, ау-у...)
Цитата:
Блин, наконец-то хоть один человек правильно назвал процесс апгрейда Альф 20.
жжемс! icon_lol.gif
хм... создается впечатление, что или с выбором совсем плохо, или времени нет вообще! Не, ну правда, есть же еще варианты icon_rolleyes.gif

Miss_Akula
Цитата:
расскажи ка лучше как твоя жизня
Уважаемая АкуленцЫя! Вам бы в аську постучаться, там и поболтать с Вами о делах и про жЫзню.. icon_biggrin.gif А то тут, на форуме как-то не хорошо флудякать icon_eek.gif icon_razz.gif icon_wink.gif
А вообще да, давненька не слыхились... С праздником! Остальное скажу приватно icon_biggrin.gif

Maiden писал(а):
http://stereophile.com/loudspeakerreviews/404infinity/
http://stereophile.com/loudspeakerreviews/605infinity/
Вполне все по уму за такие деньги icon_biggrin.gif

Спасибо Maiden за ссылки. Хоть правда и не работают нихрена, но всё равно спасибо.
ИК!!!

SoundLife писал(а):
Maiden писал(а):
http://stereophile.com/loudspeakerreviews/404infinity/
http://stereophile.com/loudspeakerreviews/605infinity/
Вполне все по уму за такие деньги icon_biggrin.gif

Спасибо Maiden за ссылки. Хоть правда и не работают нихрена, но всё равно спасибо.
ИК!!!

ну не знаю icon_sad.gif у меня все открывается icon_biggrin.gif

Maiden писал(а):
SoundLife писал(а):
Maiden писал(а):
http://stereophile.com/loudspeakerreviews/404infinity/
http://stereophile.com/loudspeakerreviews/605infinity/
Вполне все по уму за такие деньги icon_biggrin.gif

Спасибо Maiden за ссылки. Хоть правда и не работают нихрена, но всё равно спасибо.
ИК!!!

ну не знаю icon_sad.gif у меня все открывается icon_biggrin.gif

Может ты просто напишешь название модели?

модель INFINITI PRIМUS 360.Он имел ввиду.Вот что там написаноWhen I reviewed Infinity's Primus 150 loudspeaker in the April 2004 Stereophile, I was very impressed with its overall performance. To this day, I continue to be amazed at the level of realism this $198/pair loudspeaker can reproduce, and I've kept the review pair to serve as a benchmark for an entry-level audiophile speaker. When I'd completed that review, my first thought was: Now—what can Infinity do within the affordable Primus series for more money? So I requested a review sample of the Primus series' flagship, the three-way Primus 360 floorstanding speaker. After all, how could I resist listening to a speaker that claims 38Hz bass extension for only $658/pair?

MMD technology
All of the speakers in Infinity's entry-level Primus series feature the company's Metal Matrix Diaphragm (MMD) technology, derived from their Ceramic Metal Matrix Diaphragm (CMMD) technology. MMD drivers are made by anodizing both sides of an aluminum core to a specific thickness. This is intended to produce low-mass, highly rigid cone diaphragms designed to operate with reduced distortion and breakup compared with those made of such conventional materials as paper and plastic. Each tweeter, midrange, and woofer driver is optimized for its particular application, its internal resonances (according to Infinity) virtually eliminated within the driver's frequency range to achieve maximum sonic clarity. All tweeters are mounted in a specially shaped recessed waveguide designed to provide precise imaging, even frequency response, and controlled directivity over a wide listening area.

The front-ported, magnetically shielded Primus 360 has a ¾" MMD tweeter, a 4" MMD midrange driver, and two 6½" MMD woofers. I tested the speakers with their grilles both on and off, and heard slightly better resolution of details with the grilles off, while the speaker's timbral signature remained unchanged.

Listening: cut from the same cloth?
The midrange was the Primus 360's greatest strength. On all recordings, the speaker's midrange reproduction was dead neutral; it resolved significant layers of inner detail as well as ambience and soundstaging cues. This, combined with its delicate, subtle, linear renderings of low-level dynamic articulations, made the 360 an extraordinary reproducer of vocals and acoustic instruments with significant midrange energy. High frequencies were natural and extended, but not as detailed, sophisticated, or free of grain as I've heard from more expensive speakers. However, the 360's reproduction of transients was beyond reproach. On every recording, transients were lightning-fast but without a trace of unnatural sharpness. This quality, combined with the speaker's overall neutrality in the midrange and highs, made the 360 well matched for recordings of percussion and plucked strings.

The Primus 360's subjective bass extension was quite impressive; the speaker's single significant deviation from neutrality was an overall warmth or ripeness in the midbass. Whether this character added some euphonic benefits or subtracted from the speaker's realism varied with the recording. Furthermore, the 360's bass extension and superb resolution of high-level dynamics meant that it performed well when required to reproduce blasts and bombast. (The Primus 360 is fitted with cylindrical plastic feet and does not accommodate built-in spikes. I wonder if spiked feet would have altered its bass performance.)

Moving up in price within a speaker line can produce surprising results. Sometimes the more expensive speaker sounds merely like a louder, bassier version of the little guy, but without a corresponding increase in overall quality. At other times, the more expensive speaker can emphasize the strong points and soft-pedal the weaknesses of the original, resulting in even greater value per dollar. At still other times, the higher-priced speaker and its little brother present completely different sonic personae.

As I listened to the Primus 360 and recalled the last time I'd heard the Primus 150, I concluded that their relationship didn't neatly fit any of those categories. If you compare the comments above to those in my review of the Primus 150, you might conclude that I think the 360 sounded like a louder 150, with deeper bass (although the bass did have a somewhat different character). That would accurately describe how the 360 affected my brain, but it would not address how the larger Primus impacted my heart and soul. To explain that, I need to drag my colleague Art Dudley into this.

At the Home Entertainment 2004 show in New York City last May, Art and I sat on the panel of a "Meet the Editors— Stereophile" session. Art was gushing about the performance of a vintage horn speaker he'd just heard at the New York Hilton. He was urging everyone to listen to how the sound from this speaker gently emerged and rolled over the listener, as does live music but as do very few speakers, most of which, according to Art, sound as if music is being "squirted at you."

How Art described good horn speaker sound pretty much sums up how the Primus 360 affected me. With every recording, there was a sense of high-level dynamic linearity and ease that did not vary by recording or loudness level. At no time did I feel that the 360 was straining or working hard to produce music, which enhanced realism with most recordings. The conclusion here, I believe, is that no matter how well a small two-way bookshelf speaker can play music, there are certain parameters of musical reproduction that are best achieved by putting more and larger drivers into a bigger cabinet. But how well this captivating feature of the Primus 360 interacted with the speaker's overall strengths and weaknesses depended on the genre of music being reproduced.

The folk, the jazz, the classical, the rock!
The Primus 360's midrange, detail resolution, and transient capabilities made it the speaker to die for for fans of the singers with acoustic guitars. Joni Mitchell's vocal and overdubbed acoustic guitars on "Urge for Going," from Hits (CD, Reprise 46436-2), were as natural and involving as I've ever heard from that disc. Ditto for Madeline Peyroux's silky vocals on "Hey, Sweet Man," from Dreamland (CD, Atlantic 82946), accompanied by Marc Ribot's articulate dobro. Jazz vocal recordings fared equally well. On Diana Krall's The Girl in the Other Room (CD, Verve B0001826-12), the slightly warm string bass presented an attractively warm backdrop for Krall's seductive vocal articulations. Her piano and the percussion were realistic across all frequency ranges.

Most jazz recordings fared well on the Primus 360. My listening notes from Sonny Rollins' Way Out West (CD, JVC XRCD VICJ-60088) read "burnished, natural, velvety and breathy Rollins" and "Wow, that's a ride cymbal!" Ray Brown's bass solo on "I'm an Old Cowhand" was woody and natural, presented with added warmth only in the instrument's lower regions. Miles Davis' Seven Steps to Heaven (LP, Columbia CL 2051) was the best example of Art Dudley's Gently Emerge and Roll Effect. The string bass was warm and involving as Davis' trumpet floated out to fill the room during a dinner party I was hosting. The Primus 360's dynamics and transient pacing gave a wailing, cooking, driving character to Ornette Coleman's Live at the Golden Circle, Vol. I (LP, Blue Note 4224), but the upper register of Coleman's alto sax was a bit tense during the highly modulated passages.

Chamber music, such as George Crumb's Quest (CD, Bridge 9069), shone on the 360. Abundances of detail, air, definition, and decay surrounded the guitar and every percussion instrument with consistent, dynamic linearity. Top-octave partials of bells were extended and natural, although the lower range of the string bass was warm and somewhat indistinct. Large orchestral works, such as Stravinsky's The Firebird (LP, Mercury Living Presence/Classic SR 90226) filled the room with air and vibrancy, the dramatic and well-defined bass drums shaking the room without interfering with the unraveling of inner orchestral detail. The Primus 360's low-bass capabilities were quite noticeable on John Rutter's Requiem (CD, Reference Recordings RR-57CD), the speaker reproducing organ-pedal notes with more realism than I've heard from any other speaker costing less than $1000/pair.

Rock was a mixed bag, particularly in the area of bass realism; it depended on the mix. Aimee Mann's Bachelor No. 2 or The Last Remains of the Dodo (CD, Super Ego SE002) rocked with good pace and slam under Mann's processed but silky vocals, but the overly ripe bass guitar was a bit too rumbly. Conversely, the added midbass ripeness added a sense of drama to the all-electronic continuo of bass synth and drum machine on Sade's Love Deluxe (CD, Epic EK 53178).

And the Primus 360 had a bonus: It proved to be a superior home-theater speaker. For movie buffs who don't want a full-blown 5.1- or 7.1-channel surround system, the 360's bass extension and high-level dynamic slam provided a very engaging two-channel home theater experience. Moreover, the midrange clarity and detail resolution made dialog and Foley tracks seem realistic and easy to follow.

Comparisons
I compared the Infinity Primus 360 ($658/pair) with two speakers that are its direct competitors in price: the NHT SB-3 ($600/pair) and the Nola (previously Alón) Li'l Rascal Mk.II ($600/pair). I also compared the 360 to its little brother, the Primus 150 ($198/pair).

Particularly with piano and vocal recordings, and especially in the detailed midrange, the Primus 360 and 150 behaved nearly identically. With more demanding works, however, the 150 could not approach the 360's high-level dynamic capabilities. When pushed hard, the 150's sound coagulated and compressed a bit. Moreover, the 150 lacked the 360's extended lower bass, although I felt its mid- and upper-bass articulation was cleaner, if more restrained.

The NHT SB3 was more liquid and less detailed, with less extended highs than the Primus 360. It sounded more romantic and more forgiving than the Infinity, but its midbass was also rather warm—less extended but more defined than the Primus. The SB3's high-level dynamics were very good, but the Primus 360's were superior. The NHT's transients were not as articulate, however.

The Nola Li'l Rascal Mk.II was more open, airy, and detailed than the Infinity, with a richer, more holographic midrange. Although the Li'l Rascal's high frequencies were detailed, extended, and a bit rough, they were still more delicate than the Primus 360's. The midbass was cleaner through the Nola, but the Infinity had more extended and more dramatic lower bass.

Payoff
Any speaker in the $500–$600/pair range will have some sonic tradeoffs, and the Infinity Primus 360 is no exception. It has an attractive combination of strengths and weaknesses, and presents levels of high-level dynamic drama and effortlessness that are unheard of at the price. If your tastes in sound and music balance well with the speaker's character, the Primus 360 should provide you with long-term, plug-and-play, trouble-free enjoyment of music and home theater programming. Another well-thought-out design from Harman International

Спасибо за инфу Rastaman.

С одной стороны та-же мурзилка, токо англоязычная, а с другой, MMD динамики действительно уделывают многое (хотя и не всё).
Вобщем "to buy or not to buy - that's still the question".